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The 144000 in Revelation 7 are most probably the Woman in Revelation 12 – sealed and protected for the entire duration of the great tribulation.

Posted by gospelclips on December 29, 2016

Revelation 7:1-4

After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.   Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”  Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

This scripture appears after the sixth seal is opened and just before the seventh seal is mentioned and just before the Seven Trumpets sound.   It is part of the Interlude between the sixth and the seventh seal.  The other part of the Interlude being the rapture of the great multitude.

The four angels mentioned in the scripture above are considered to be the same angels as the those who hold the first four trumpets. 

Pre tribulationists argue that this is proof that the seals and the  trumpets cannot be simultaneous as stated by recapitulationists (post tribulationists), or at least the trumpets cannot precede the sixth seal.  The seals trumpets and bowls, therefore, occur sequentially.

Pre tribulationists contend that the rapture is after the sixth seal when the Great Multitude appear in heaven just before the seventh seal is opened and certainly before the seven trumpets (which are considered to be the wrath of God). 

Pre tribulationists consider the events of the first sixth seals are not part of the great tribulation.  (Given that a quarter of the Earth’s population are killed when the 4th seal is opened, this is a bit hard to accept)

Post tribulationists tend to be recapitulationists, stating that various visions in revelation recapitulate and occur simultaneously with other visions in Revelation thereby adding to their meaning.   Like pretribulationists, they place the rapture after the sixth seal immediately before the seventh seal is opened.  The rapture is also linked to the seventh trumpet which is concurrent with or simultaneous with the seventh seal.

God’s wrath is then poured out on the nations; namely the seven bowls of God’s wrath which are also part of the seventh Trumpet.

How then do post tribulationists account for this scripture which suggests that the trumpet judgements follow the seals sequentially rather than occur simultaneously with the seals.

Rev 6:12 & 14

The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 

Here we see the ‘Woman’ (Israel) flees to the wilderness where she is taken care of for 1260 days – this is the entire duration of the Great tribulation!  Could this ‘Women’ (Israel) be sealed and protected right from the beginning of the Great Tribulation, before any seals are opened or any trumpets are sounded?

This would mean that the vision of the 144000 being sealed from the 12 tribes of Israel does not occur in the same sequence that it is appears in Revelation.  It is a self contained vision that happens to be placed in the interlude between the 6th and the 7th seal.

It is simply not possible to describe the picture in Revelation and maintain sequence without becoming very disorganized. 

Revelation is like a picture and John describes the elements sequentially one at a time but not necessarily in time sequence. 

Revelation is not like a scanner or a fax machine scanning a picture from one end to the other.

Rev 11:2-3

But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.  And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 

Just as there is an interlude between the sixth and the seventh seal, there is also an interlude between the six and the seventh trumpet.

The 144000 Jews are sealed and the great multitude appear in heaven in the interlude between the 6th and the 7th seal.  The Holy city is trampled by the Gentiles for 42 months and the two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days in the interlude between the 6th and the 7th trumpet.   (An angel with a little scroll also appears in this interlude)

The rapture of the Great multitude occurs in an instant and therefore could well take place at this point in the Revelation sequence just before or when the seven seal is opened.

The ‘Women’ (Israel) is protected for 1260 days.  The  actual sealing of the 144000 is therefore likely to have occurred substantially before the time that it is mentioned in the Revelation sequence.  Indeed, it is more than likely that the 1260 days end at the point it is mentioned in the revelation sequence. 

Just as the 144000 from the 12 tribes of Israel are sealed and protected for the entire duration of the Great Tribulation, the Gentiles will trample the Holy City for 42 months and the two witnesses will prophesy for 1260 days.

The visions of the Gentiles trampling the Holy City for 42 months and the two witnesses prophesying for 1260 days are in the interlude between the 6th and the 7th trumpet.

When the seventh Trumpet sounds, the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of our Lord.  We are at the conclusion of this age.  That is it.  There is no more 42 months to come and no more 1260 days to come.  The 42 months and the 1260 days, therefore, end with the sounding of the seventh trumpet.

As with the sealing of the  144000, the place in scripture where they are mentioned corresponds to the end of the 1260 days or 42 months over which they occur.

In other words, the Gentiles started trampling the Holy City 42 months before the seventh trumpet sounds and the two witnesses prophesied for 1260 days up until the sounding of the seventh trumpet.

Similarly, the 144000 from the 12 tribes of Israel were sealed and protected 1260 days before the seventh seal was opened. 

The Great Tribulation lasts 1260 days and begins with the revelation of the Antichrist when the first seal is opened.   (2Thes 2:3)

This means that the 144000 Jews are sealed at the beginning of the Great Tribulation before any seals are opened and before any trumpets are sounded.

Thus even if the seals and the trumpets are totally simultaneous, there is no conflict with Revelations 7:2-3

He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 

Therefore, these verses should not be a stumbling block to Post Tribulationists who believe in simultaneous recapitulating visions in revelation.

 

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The 144000 Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel are the ‘Woman’ who is pursued by a dragon in Revelations 12

Posted by gospelclips on December 28, 2016

Revelation 12:1-6

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.  She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.  Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.  Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.  She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.  The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

Here the woman is Israel.  She was pregnant and about to give birth to a male child (Jesus) who will rule the nations with an iron sceptre.  Her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.  (so there can be no doubt who the male child is – Jesus).  The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared by God where she could be taken care of for 1260 days.

Revelation 12:13-17

When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.  The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.  Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent.  But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.  Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

The 144000 taken from the 12 tribes of Israel and sealed are most likely this Woman.  The 144000 are sealed so as to be protected from the Judgments of God.   The woman was given two wings of a great eagle so that she may fly to a place prepared for her in the wilderness out of the serpent’s reach for times time and half a time (1260 days = 3.5 years = 42 months) which is the duration of the great tribulation.  The serpent spewed water from it’s mouth like a river to overtake the woman and sweep her away but the Earth helped the woman by opening it’s mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out.

The dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring (the Christians) – those who keep God’s commands and hold fast to their testimony about Jesus.

If the 144000 and the ‘Woman’ are one in the same, then the sealing of the 144000 is for 1260 days which is the duration of the great tribulation.

Rev 7:1-4

After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:  “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”  Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

The angels are instructed not to harm the land or the sea or the trees until a seal is placed on the foreheads of the 144000.  This must take place before the Trumpet Judgments are sounded.  If the trumpet Judgments are simultaneous with the seals then it would mean that the 144000 are sealed at the beginning of the Great Tribulation.

 

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http://truthinlove.com/analogies/seven_seals.htm

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144000 JEWS from the 12 tribes of Israel will be chosen to be God’s People on Earth during the Millennium to fullfill promises that God made to the Jews in the Old Testament.

Posted by gospelclips on August 13, 2012

144000 JEWS from the 12 tribes of Israel will be chosen to be God’s People on Earth during the Millennium to fulfill promises that God made to the Jews in the Old Testament.

 

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144000 Jews are sealed when the seventh seal is opened. They become the God’s People on Earth during the Millennium to fulfill the prophesies given to Israel in the Old Testament.

Posted by gospelclips on August 12, 2012

An illustration of the Parable of the Prodigal son incorporating New and Old testament Believers. Sons represent Born Again believers. Jews were Born Again if they were circumcised in Heart by the Spirit (Older Sons). New Testament Believers are Born Again if they have received the Spirit by Baptism (Younger Sons).  Unlike servants, only Sons  who represent Born Again Believers will go to heaven when they die or when Christ returns. The 144000 Jews are sealed when the seventh seal is opened. They are a select group of the Jews (like firstfruits) who as a reward, become the Camp of God’s People on Earth during the Millennium to fulfill the prophesies given to Israel in the Old Testament. At the end of the Millennium, God’s Elect will descend from Heaven as the Bride of Christ to become the New Jerusalem (composed of Old and New Sons). In Eternity, all of God’s Children will be combined into one New Jerusalem. During the Millennium, the New Testament Believers will be reigning with Christ in Heaven while a selection of Jews (the 144000) and Pagans (the Sheep Nations) fulfill the promises that God made to the Jews in the Old Testament to restore the Kingdom of Israel as priests to the Nations.

 

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The 144000 Jews who were Sealed become God’s People on Earth during the Millennium

Posted by gospelclips on May 5, 2010

144000 Jews are sealed

Before God pours out his Wrath

When the seventh seal is opened

The 144000 Jews are Sealed when the seventh seal is opened. The Church is raptured at the same time and sleeping believers are resurrected (first resurrection). The Jews are protected form God’s wrath by the seal of God. Once the Church has been redeemed from the Earth, God can pour out his wrath upon the Nations (Pagans) of the Earth. Those who survive God’s wrath will repopulate the Earth during the Millennium including the 144000 Jews that were sealed. At the End of the Millennium all Pagans will be resurrected to be Judged at the Great White Throne (second resurrection) . Those who are not in the Lambs Book of Life will be thrown into the Lake of Fire which is the Second Death.

The 144000 Jews are Sealed when the seventh seal is opened.  The Church is raptured at the same time and sleeping believers are resurrected (first resurrection).  The Jews are protected form God's wrath by the seal of God.  Once the Church has been redeemed from the Earth, God can pour out his wrath upon the Nations (Pagans) of the Earth.  Those who survive God's wrath will repopulate the Earth during the Millennium including the 144000 Jews that were sealed.  At the End of the Millennium all Pagans will be resurrected to be Judged at the Great White Throne (second resurrection) .  Those who are not in the Lambs Book of Life will be thrown into the Lake of Fire which is the Second Death.

The 144000 Jews are Sealed when the seventh seal is opened. The Church is raptured at the same time and sleeping believers are resurrected (first resurrection). The Jews are protected form God's wrath by the seal of God. Once the Church has been redeemed from the Earth, God can pour out his wrath upon the Nations (Pagans) of the Earth. Those who survive God's wrath will repopulate the Earth during the Millennium including the 144000 Jews that were sealed. At the End of the Millennium all Pagans will be resurrected to be Judged at the Great White Throne (second resurrection) . Those who are not in the Lambs Book of Life will be thrown into the Lake of Fire which is the Second Death.

Revelation 6:1-8:5

The Seals

  • I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.
  • When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.
  • When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a day’s wages, and three quarts of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”
  • When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
  • When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.
  • I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
  • Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

144,000 Sealed

  • After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
  • From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
  • from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
  • from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
  • from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
  • from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
  • from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
  • from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
  • from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
  • from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
  • from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
  • from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
  • from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

The Great Multitude in White Robes

  • After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying: “Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever.
  • Amen!”
  • Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”
  • I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, “they are before the throne of God
  • and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.
  • Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat.
  • For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water.
  • And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

The Seventh Seal and the Golden Censer

  • When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
  • And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.
  • Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne. The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of the saints, went up before God from the angel’s hand. Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.
  • The sealing of the 144000 and the vision of the Great Multitude standing before the Throne in Heaven is given after the events of the sixth seal are discribed and immediately before the seventh seal is mentioned.
  • Not much is said when the Seventh Seal is opened other than there was rest in heaven for half an hour.
  • This is because the sealing of the 144000 Jews and the Rapture of the Great Multitude so that God can pour out His Wrath on the Nations is what the Seventh Seal is about.
  • The Seventh Seal is clearly post tribulation.
  • The events that take place as the first six seals are opened indicate that the Great Tribulation is taking place.
  • The Great multitude that appear in Heaven have been through the Great Tribulation.
  • The fifth Seal even mentions those who have been killed because of the Word of God and the testimony that they maintained. “How long will it be until we are avenged” they cry.
  • When the sixth seal is opened, Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
  • When the seventh seal is opened, it will be apparent who is listed upon the Scroll which is the Book of Life.
  • When the Seventh seal is opened, it will be time for God to pour out His wrath upon the Nations (Pagans).
  • God protects the 144000 Jews by sealing them and God removes the Christians who survive the Great Tribulation by rapturing them.
  • When God’s people are protected or removed from Earth, God is able to pour out His Wrath on the Nations (Pagans).
  • The Nations (Pagans) will be divided into the Sheep and the Goats according to how they treat God’s people.
  • Some of the Nations (Pagans) will reject the mark of the Beast.
  • All who accept the mark of the Beast will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
  • There will be people from the Nations on Earth during the Millennium and in Eternity.
  • These people must not have accepted the Mark of the Beast otherwise they would have been thrown into the Lake of Fire.
  • Zechariah Ch 14 tells us that there will be people from the Nations who survive the Great Tribulation and go on into the Millennium.
  • The 144000 Jews will survive God’s Wrath as they have been protected by God’s Seal. They will go on to become God’s people on Earth during the Millennium and repopulate the Earth.
  • There will be survivors from the Nations (Pagans) who did not worship the Beast and were kind to God’s people. They will go on into the Millennium as the Millennial Nations.
  • The Nations (Pagans) will be Judged at the end of the Millennium at the Great White Throne. Those who have died up until that point will be resurrected (the Second Resurrection). Whoever is not in the Lamb’s Book of Life will be thrown into the Lake of Fire which is the Second Death.
  • As there are Nations (Pagans) that surround the New Jerusalem in Eternity who have not been thrown into the Lake of Fire, there must be some people from the Nations (Pagans) who are in the Lamb’s Book of Life.
  • The New Nations (New Pagans) are not as privilaged as God’s People who get to enjoy God’s presence continually and eat of the Fruit of the Tree of Life. The New Nations, nevertheless, are permitted to enter the New Jerusalem and can partake of the leaves of the Tree of Life for Healing.
  • The New Jerusalem is composed of all God’s People from the New and the Old Covenants.
  • The New Jerusalem has 12 foundations which represent the 12 Apostles and 12 Gates which represent the 12 Tribes of Israel.
  • In the New Jerusalem, all God’s people will be together. God will be among them and He will be their light. They will all be able to partake of the Tree of Life and live forever.

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